But there was a bar that had a shot of Powers and a Guinness for $7, so as you can guess I ended up drinking quite a bit of it. First published on March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM. [1] Historically, Powers Gold Label was the best-selling whiskey in Ireland. The date 1608 listed all over the Bushmills bottle is not only the date The King of England allowed distilling to take place in Northern Ireland it is also the date the plantation of Ulster began. Robber jumps out of an alley, holds up a gun, and says, Are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Man says, Neither, Im a jew. Robber thinks for a moment, says, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?, are you a Protestant or a Catholic? ** Paddy is a brand of blended Irish whiskey produced by Irish Distillers, at the Midleton distillery in County Cork, on behalf of Sazerac, a privately held American company. The most traumatic era in the entire history of Roman Catholicism, some have argued, was the period from the middle of the 14th century to the middle of the 16th. Thank you for the real-world experience! Nuts. The good news is I dont have to worry about car bomb in Hicktown. Michael Collins is a newcomer to the market place. The young fella attending to the store asked if I wanted Catholic or Protestant then he placed a two bottles of Bushmills on the counter one plain and one Black label. Colum Egan (Master Distiller of Bushmills) is himself a Catholic. Not what I would call a cheap whisley, albeit there are many out there that can cost a fair penny more. The whiskey was originally produced in Tullamore, County Offaly, Ireland, at the . Powers is readily available in the Balto/Wash area. Fact: the worst atrocities in the Irish struggle for freedom were perpetrated by the Irish on each other and were not likely fueled by religious affiliation but the politics of the time. All of this is just silly, Ireland is totally united in the bottle. [1] In recent years, several single pot still variants have been relaunched under the Powers label. Jeffrey, isnt there an expiration date to such things? So by your logic it is fair to say that Every time you raise a glass of American Bourbon you are in essence raising a glass to an Native American losing his land (and in MOST cases his life) to British/American rule! It was fine w me, because the Jameson Distillery tour was fantastic. And not to get too specific, but given the choice, Irish Canandian Dry in the clear glass bottle (opposed to the green bottle or Finches). The old make, which we drank with our luncheon, was delicious, and finer than anything we had hitherto tasted. Prefer the Irish whiskeys but never met a single malt I didnt savor. As Jameson only uses the bourbon barrels once, the color and flavor is more reminiscent of American bourbon. One good friend turned to me and chuckled. Simple business transaction where both sides benefit. . Dear sir, I know you did a bit onSangrita, but I was wondering if you have a good recipe for Sangria. Ive been to the area that Bush Mills in manufactured and its total UFV territory. I find it to be a littlethick? I said, so youre Protestant? Good evening All, Argument ended.. Jameson is the Catholic whiskey, Bushmills is the Protestant one, despite the efforts of the Bushmills PR department to spin it otherwise. Well, Jeffrey Morgenthaler, youve clearly never been to a privately owned Irish Catholic pub. Paid 10 Euro for a shot of it in Dublin, and well worth the price. @Rob: my scotch comment was tongue-in-cheek. . Yes it is a bit heavier than most Irish whiskey, but I appreciate the depth and nuanced flavors. Ive used Irish Whiskey in Old Fashions and Sours before with tasty results. He said, no, Im Catholic, but I was born and raised in the town of Bushmills! Soon after, in a bold move, Irish Distillers decided to close all of their existing distilleries, and to consolidate production at a new purpose-built facility in Midleton (the New Midleton Distillery) alongside their existing Old Midleton Distillery. I had the 15yr old Kilbeggan during a visit at the Cooley distillery a few years back, and it was damn tasty. Im an Irish barman and I am stunned by the ignorant waffle that some Irish Americans spew about the oul sod. Bushmills also provides single malt for Powers, while Midleton (where many of teh Irish whiskies are produced) provides grain whiskey for the Bushmills blends. This is mildly off topic, but does anyone else find Jameson to be similar in many ways to Wild Turkey bourbon? Not all American or Irish whiskies spell the word with an elike Makers Mark, George Dickel, Old Forester, Early Times or Paddy spell the word w-h-i-s-k-y. I must say I enjoyed reading this thread, and I had no intention of posting until I reached #58. Concept of Deity. Whereas Bushmills is seen (by some) as British because it is located in Northern Ireland (which is part of the UK)and there is a political bias against it from some quarters. The Master Distiller, Colum Eagan, is indeed a Catholic himself and comes from Co. Laois in ROI. Jameson has distilled fine Irish malt which has been then sold to Bushmills to use as a blend all of the way through the most controversial of times of Irish English relations to current. and my green on July 12th. Bushmills is produced from 100% malted barley and grain whiskey (which it receives from the Midleton Distillery in Co. Cork where Jameson is made). Spose its kinda like Rangers (hoik-phew) and Celtic FC really. Spent a crap of $$$ too so we could compare them all side by side. It makes things interesting. There is neither protestant nor catholic whiskey available. Spent the rest of the week getting to know Irish whiskey & came home w/ small bottles of Irish Whiskeys I wasnt sure I could get in the US so I could continue my coyage of discovery at home. Bad Catholic that I am, I always drank Bushmills over Jameson. So, so stupid. Get your facts right ! Whiskey, or "uisce beatha" in the Irish language, is an integral part of Ireland and Irish culture. Irish for the whiskey Produced at Cooley for Sidney Frank, it appears to have been geared mainly for the American market. I grew up in a so-called Protestant area in west County Down where nobody really cares what you are. Now I have a different taste preference and enjoy Bushmills in the warmer months and back to Jameson when it gets a chill in the air. This is because Guinness is now seen as a world-wide iconic Irish brand and brings in lots of money to the southern Irish economy. As far as I know, spirit doesnt really care which way you worship your sky-fairy. William Riley, well said, man. I can guarantee no one here in Dublin or Ireland gives a crap either way. You claim that it is an Irish-American phenomenon, however up in the six counties Catholics drink Jameson and Prod-Brits drink Bushmills there is even a bit of violence attached to it. Paddy is pretty readily available in the New York Metro Area, but Ive never seen it since I left for warmer climes. And while the distillery had a larger proportion of Protestants than Catholics, this was down to the demographics of the area in which the town of Bushmills is situated which is largely a protestant area and the employment status reflects that. I drink and enjoy both, but based on my experience(s) in Ireland lets just say watching you order a Bushmills in Dublin would be very entertaining. Beaumont Funny, I thought of addressing that as I was wrapping up the post, but then thought, Nah, the chuckleheads who read this website arent smart enough to draw that conclusion. Guess I was wrong. Im an American Catholic raised in the bible belt, West Virginia to be exact. I am for Bushmills especially sprinkled over banana bread. And since I inherited her mothers sideboard, now repurposed as the bar in my den, I shall drink Bushmills tonight. . Not sure what Guinness has to do with this, but your claim goes against everything we were taught about him, but maybe history is just whitewashed for us Yanks. Its an American argument that doesnt carry weight here, whiskey is whiskey. I often wonder why those Irish-Americans (usually in Irish bars of Boston or New York)who bring up this absurd and frankly bigoted discussion about Protestant & Catholic whiskey do not apply the same rule when it comes to drinking that most Irish of drinks Guinness. Many of these came from the grain mills along the Bush River, where the current distillery stands today. Now I need to locate Redbreast! TRIPLE SEC, 2 shots of BUSHMILLS, Ive been a big fan of Jamesons for many years, first drinking it when I was younger. They have started construction now on a grain still on site now which means that the full three components of the blend will be produced in Tullamore. Catholics represented the unstable Republican persona and therefore the company hired few people from the catholic areas. Porn S, Eugene, Oregon friends! @Matt: sorry to hear about religious intolerance in West Virginia but this is a discussion about the distilling history of Irish whiskey, not moonshine. In 1841, John Power, grandson of the founder was awarded a baronetcy, a hereditary title. There will always be a few zealots who do, but from my knowledge, both Bushmills and Jamesons are enjoyed by people of both faiths. Ive worked my way through nearly all the brands mentioned here and yet consistently return to my beloved Jameson 12 neat. And let us not forget the new cask finishes of The Tyrconnell. That was in fact untrue. The waitress stared at me, and said in her thick brogue, This is an IRISH pub. I looked at her and said, okay, Ill have a Harp. Here in Montana, that conversation wouldnt have made any sense. Im not sure if this is truth or myth but I cannot drink Bushmills due to there even being a chance of truth in that because of the awful stories I heard about those F&[emailprotected]$&$ convicts (the black and tans) the Brits let loose on the people of Ireland. @Allen: I think it show more the bigoted nature of your tour guide than it does Bushmills. post number 66). Brands! Jameson was moved down to cork and is my distilled in Middleton, though I believe it is blended in Clondalkin, which is a Dublin suburb. Cant wait to find out. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. My post was simple stating that the problem still exists. I dont know about Ireland, but in some parts of the U.S there still major problems. The version that Im familiar with is, of course Jamison is Catholic and Bushmills is Protestant. . As the rain pummels the ground here in the Pacific Northwest, a little window of blue sky nestled between two dark clouds in the neighboring distance makes me wish I were watching the rain fall from across a dark ocean, my little Caribbean fishing, Update! [15], More recently, in 2015, Powers Signature Release won a gold medal in the category Irish Single Pot Still Whiskey at the Irish Whiskey Awards. Redbreast was a recent taste and I liked that a lot. He said, I guess they will have to be giving up the Guiness as well? I will second the Powers recommendation to add some turf to the fire. This is coming from a protestant raised irish man from the local area. It is the same oppression that the Hungarians did to the Slovaks over the ages!!!!! In addition to Powers Gold label, a 12-year-old premium blend, and several single pot still whiskeys have been released under the Powers banner in recent years: In the 2012 edition of the Whisky Bible, whiskey writer Jim Murray named Power's John's Lane Release Irish Whiskey of the Year and described it as "certainly one of the top five world whiskies of the year". I usually drink my whiskey neat but would anyone be able to recommend an Irish whiskey cocktail/mixed drink that doesnt included coffee or a green liquid? I even have taken a liking to Bushmills Irish Honey when Im in a cocktail mood.Not being Irish and not wanting to get political. Bushmills didnt support the Black & Tans anymore than Jamesons supported the IRA! In all the pubs in NYC, no one seemed to really care that I noticed from either side of the bar. As for the religious differences, its always been easier for those not in the mess (in the US, England) to say and perpetuate things over that of those who have to suffer the views and manipulations of outsiders. The root of this myth lies in the fact that Bushmills is located in the predominately Protestant and still British Northern Ireland. Just setting the record straight. Car bombs, kidnappings, murders, protests, etc. Were not bothered by any of that old bullshit now. Catholic and Slovak-American, my personal preference is Jamesons. Besides, Id have to prove I can fill a job where the company cant find a local. It is Bushmills that supplies single malt (The Old Bushmills Distillery is the only one of the three in Ireland that distills only triple distilled single malt whiskey, while the Midleton Distillery produces grain & pure potstill spirit and Cooley produces double distilled single malt, grain & potstill), as well as doing the bottling for Jameson, Powers & Paddys (All from Midleton, along with Red Breast, Greenspot & Tullamore Dew). and Rangers F.C., the two largest Scottish football clubs sometimes referred to as the Old Firm, whose support base is traditionally predominantly Catholic and Protestant respectively. Funny, I also sought some info from a Bushmills rep when this controversy came up around St. Pattys day! Last I was in Ireland, about three weeks ago, I bought two bottles at a shop for 22 each. Tulley Dew 10 Year Single Malt! I just brought some Tyrconnell 10-year port cask aged home from duty free it is delicious. Entries are still open for the 2023 San Fr, This weekend, we hiked to the site of a natural ca, Valentines Day. From the outset of the Reformation, Luther and his associates had fiercely proclaimed the Christian's obligation to "be subject to the governing authorities," asserting, with Saint Paul, that "the powers that be are ordained by God . Sorry, but I have always loved them both. Also, your giving Prince Harry more money to go on vacation, maybe Vegas again perhaps? Oh and Bushmills was NOT licensed to distill in 1608Thats marketing Bullshit. There is whiskey, and a whiskey drinker is a whiskey drinker no matter how they take it. Seriously (though I actually was), I very much appreciated the original article, as I had had often wondered about that Jamesons = Catholic; Bushmills = Protestant thing. As for the Tullamore Dew, it actually is the perfect mingling of North & South, since the pot still & grain comes from Midleton in Cork and the single malt is distilled at Bushmills (then aged down at LDI). When I explained this myth to customers in Ireland they all had a good laugh. Your email address will not be published. Should these facts come into the discussion when considering whether or not to indulge in a pint of the creamy delicious black stuff!? I went to the Distillery in Tullamore(now a museum for the whiskey), it is now produced in Middleton, although it is no longer owned by Pernod-Ricard. One more thing Since Pernod Ricard shut down the grain stills at the old Bushmills distillery, all of the grain whiskey in Bushmills is from Middleton! The situation is ridiculous. I think Paddys may be even rarer in the US than Powers. The fact that this blog has been going for so very long tells me the myth is true. Fathers side Ulster.ancestors to America ca 1719. Or champagne to protest Frankish aggression against the Gallo Romans. However, its all moot now as the French reap the profits in the end , Jameson, Bushmills, Tullemore, Red Breast, Powers. Have an OHaras Red and a Jamison on me. None of that means shit. I will be at Ninkasis B, Thanks for having me this morning to talk about ou, Last night someone was like oh wow I didnt t, HAHAHAHA Thank you @makersmark and @whisky_in_mai_, Thank you @traveloregon for having us on the start, Over the years, people have come to associate us w, We feel like most of you who have visited our litt, Ive always been one of those people who thought, http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License, Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean). Arthur Guinness was a Protestant and a Unionist. I was told by one Irishman the RedBreast would change my life and another one told me that The Irishman Founders Reserve would do the same. No matter where it is produced. Mostly only Catholics or the nonreligious drink here. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. It has been my favorite since discovering it at the Buena Vista Cafe in San Francisco. The truth of the matter is, the age-old faux-pas of ordering Bushmills for fear of supporting English aggression and offending the Republic of Ireland is about as Irish as corned beef which is to say, not very Irish at all but rather Irish-American (Sorry, kids, corned beef is a Jewish invention). Nevermind the fact that it would be illegal in UK law. Memories. Bushmills does not, to my certain knowledge, employ Catholics as certain industries/companies are, let us say, reserved for one tribe or another in the Black North. But NONE of this has anything to do with Whiskey brands and everything to do with prejudices. neither, Im a Jew. And to those who dont know, that hint of bourbon flavor comes from the fact that Jamesons is aged in used American bourbon barrels as are most Irish whiskeys. I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. We intend to vigorously defend our position. The Fair Employment Commission gave Bushmills a clean bill of health. Delicious. As regards the Catholic v Protestant whiskey debate. In later years I looked more into my family history and came to realize that my Fathers family were local Baptists and my Mothers were Czech Catholics. One of them said, My enemys enemy is my friend.. I was a bartender in NY in the early 90s and in 98 moved to Kinsale Cork and bartended their for 4 yrs. West Virginia is the only U.S state where you can legally handle venomous serpents to prove your faith. , Do note that the greatest tv show of all time, The Wire, always showed the Baltimore cops ordering Jameson in the bars, and the hero, McNulty, becomes indignant when only Bushmills is available at a partys open bar ( I guess most of the cops were Irish Catholic ), so traditions prevailed. [1] Irish Distillers owned the brand until its sale to Sazerac in 2016. In true Irish US tradition, my son is a cop and we will drink any Irish whiskey all of which are superior to Scotch. My mother, an Irish protestant spoke hatred against the Catholics. These are the books and tools I use every single day to make drinks at home and behind the bar. March 17, 2016 / 1:00 PM / CBS San Francisco. If you read J.F. Ginger cake, brazil nuts, treacle It is all quite harmonious between the distilleries. Father Urban has succeeded as a business operator on behalf of his monastic . Whiskey hasnt got a religion. say more. But my personal preference is Redbreast, a twelve-year pot still Irish whiskey produced at the Old Midleton Distillery and a real delight to sip while enjoying a late-night Irish breakfast of sausage, egg, pudding and soda bread. Get over it and drink what you feel. Anyway, both of your sources are wrong, but at least your father got the order right. Prom_STar 9 yr. ago Hi and i take my hat off to Rob Mchardy answer 34..more people should be like you and the world would be a nicer place,anyway there is only one kind of whisky,the answer is in the spelling. Powers Gold Label for me, thank you very much. Cheers! Said to be the favorite of the Emerald Isle too. Who really cares. 17-18 years old found the love of my lifea catholic girl. It was as perfect in flavour, and as pronounced in the ancient aroma of Irish Whisky so dear to the hearts of connoisseurs, as one could possibly desire, and we found a small flask of it very useful afterwards on our travels. While John Jameson was most likely a Protestant, his distillery in Dublin represented the Free State mentality and did not suffer from bigoted hiring practices. Found it very smooth to the tongue. [8] In addition, three of the distillery's pot stills were saved and now located in the college's Red Square.[8]. It was largely untouched by the Troubles and paramilitaries. I believe that Germany is the largest market for Tullamore Dew, followed by many of the Eastern European countries. Thanks for the clarification. [8] This was a notable departure for the firm, as for many years the big Dublin distilling dynasties had shunned the use of Coffey stills, questioning if their output, grain whiskey, could even be termed whiskey. Currently, I go though a case of Jameson for every bottle of Bushmills that we sell at our bar. I could be fairly sure the master distiller was hired because he was good at distilling whiskey and not because they needed to hire a Catholic. For one, Jameson and Bushmills trade casks and some Jamesons bottles are bottled in the Bushmills distillery as well as knowing many a catholic who have worked there over the years. [2], In 1791 James Power, an innkeeper from Dublin, established a small distillery at his public house at 109 Thomas St., Dublin. FoinahYou nailed it. Ian Paisley MP, Euro MP and MLA; universally known Doctor No. Check it out: http://whiskiesoftheworld.com. This is one of the myths encountered all the time, since Bushmills is located in predominantly Protestant Northern Ireland and Jameson is produced in the heavily Catholic Republic of Ireland. The Holy Roman Empire I completely understand what Matt is saying regarding religious intolerence. Jamesons too is lovely. Powers is a brand of Irish whiskey. Theres a scene in season 3 of The Wire that went right over my head: McNulty asks the bartender for a Jameson, and the bartender asks is Bushmills ok? McNulty comes back with aw, thats Protestant whiskey! Grudgingly, he accepts, but asks for it neat. Maybe not the best role model, but whaddaya gonna do? Powers gold label is absolute shit. The Catholic Whiskey in Dublin was John Powers. bushmills / black bush or a shirley bassey as we call it is by far thwe superior whisky in the lower price range. Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. When Alfred Barnard, the British historian visited John's Lane in the late 1880s, he noted the elegance and cleanliness of the buildings, and the modernity of the distillery, describing it as "about as complete a work as it is possible to find anywhere". [1][2] A gold label adorned each bottle and it was from these that the whiskey got the name Powers Gold Label. Privacy Policy | [4] In addition, Barnard was high in his praise for Powers whiskey, noting:[4]. Having just visited Ireland, I spent time in both the north and the ROI. The northern Protestant states, angered by the violation of their rights to choose granted in the Peace of Augsburg, banded together to form the Protestant Union. It is calles an ORANGEMANhas nothing to do with Syracuse University. as the visit was ending up with only 3 tiny plastic glasses half full. As the Protestants had pretty much a stranglehold over all shipping in the country, they refused to ship Dew in favor of the Protestant-produced Jameson. Im leaving this post up as an archive, but I encourage you to read that article first, and if you, As far as Im concerned, springtime is Dark and Stormy season. There was an Irish-American lobby group headed by a politician that was running for mayor that started a whole anti-Bushmills campaign in San Francisco in the early 90s claiming that the company never hired Catholics, a convenient attract Irish-American votes. Maybe they will bottle the Cork supply in Tullamore in the interim. He was, I believe, top dog in the Orange Order: the vehemently anti-Catholic organization whose best-known figure is the frightening demagogue the Rev. As of 2016, Paddy is the fourth largest-selling Irish whiskey in the World. Right. I am definitively a black bush person but I was mentioning that while spending a lot of time in Ireland back in 1998, I saw, while visiting the Bushmills distillery, cartons of Jameson bottles on the bottling chain. Go figure . Nostrovia!! Up here in Canada (BC) its quite difficult to find. It was a big hit with my fellow pilgrims. I see. Enough said I thought, and bought the next round. I should have thought of other whisk(e)y cocktails when typing that last thought. About one-in-five (18%) chose "the Great Crusade," while 6% said "the Great Schism" and 5% said "the French Revolution A bunch of bigoted b######s arguing over the religion of whiskey. Is Jameson Protestant whiskey? Is Misty protestant? For this reason, Bushmills has a bigger flavor, while Jameson has a much lighter flavor. Whiskey and Cocktails Uisce Beatha or Water of Life has been distilled in Ireland for many centuries and possibly even for millennia. As of late, its been my favorite it has rich barley notes that leave my palate craving more. To inject religion into the discussion demeans the very simple fact that whiskey has no religion despite the understandable biases of the past. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. One further chapter in the history that really debunks this myth is that between 1972 and 2005, both Midleton (makers of Jameson) and Bushmills were owned by the same corporation, Irish Distillers. For the record, despite the Scottish reformation, that doesnt mean Jamieson was a Proddy. Plus, many of the whiskies can be sipped neat or on the rocks. The fact is that Jameson is the Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is the Protestant whiskey and this is according to people I know That live in Belfast. Oh, by the way, John Jameson was a protestant Scottish planter in Ireland, so shouldnt you be boycotting his whiskey also? best bang for your buck for a sipping whisky. I come from the border and powers was the biggest seller by ten to one over any other whiskey,jemmy was next ,bush mills was not even on the optics and it was all about their hiring practices of workers and not the religion of their owners, @jen Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean) | What a great treat. 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