Does it convey the information that you claim that he wants to convey, namely If you believe that, go re-read this thread. Isnt that a littleobsessive? Esau, Apologetical discussions often take place in the comment boxes here, since Jimmy is an apologist and posts on related topics, but thats not their only function, and if it was, I wouldnt enjoy it half so much. We are all searching for Gods way, and all who are RC, OC, or Protestant know that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, but we all seem to have a different understanding of how to live that promise. St. Paul urged the Corinthians: By the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that there be no dissensions among you (1 Cor. This does not mean that White does not know anything. Its never too late to save anyone. It is my hope that Catholics and Protestants can converse without all the rancour that Ive seen since I started blogging in October 2006. Dont bear false witness to your neighbor is a law from God. If you are in a church that uses multiple Bible versions, get out of Where do we see that Pilot and Herod who falsely judged him, the Roman soldiers who executed him, the crowd of witnesses who called, Crucify him!, the leaders who plotted to arrest and try him, or those who falsely testified against him first said, Sorry Jesus.? What? I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love for him. Where did Paul say to wait until he repents? Calvin was a scholar of the early church. Is this not getting through or are you just ignoring the fact your comitting fallacy like I sarcastically portrayed? Speaking of which, I sincerely hope thats not the Ella I know. That kind of gets you very close to the mud and sometimes you fall in. Thank you for finally providing something with which to work. I dont know of many Catholic Bishops debating with White in particular or Protestant apologists in general. So you respond. The lack of charity on James White part guarantees that his arguments (and he doubtless has some) will fall on deaf ears. And, by the bye,I am a United Methodist, not Catholic. I didnt accuse Catholic answers of anything. Admin Phone:+1.9512424988 The guys at Doctrine & Life are great. The most unbiblical thing in the world would be a belief in a vague and purely spiritual church. After 30 minutes of accusations, he responds not with a dissertation, but with maybe a single paragraph worth of words, mostly from scripture, and always ending with a question that is not intended to be answered, but something to be contemplated on. Alpha & Omega 115 Trucker Hat. Recorded on May 15, 2017 in London: Do the Catholic Churchs Teachings on Mary Constitute Authentic Christian Doctrine? But I do not know what to do about it, how to overcome it. youd have to find a more substantive angle of attack Alpha & Omega Men's T-shirt. The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not the sharing of the blood of Christ? Posted by: Jeremiah | Aug 9, 2007 7:41:30 PM If you cant immediately see that and make amends then no one, knowing that you are capable of this, should engage you in debate or discussions of any kind. Phoenix, AZ 85069 And the drama is helping to keep him from his salvation. the Council of Trent really doesnt anathematize Protestants (even though it was written in direct response to the reforms of Luther and others) Poor imitator of Our Lord that I am, I remain your servant and brother in Christ, Instead of apologizing he makes even more outrageous statements. : and a D.M. I had no wish to align with the whore of babylon, I didnt [then] get litugy, the singing and preaching generally sucked, they had no concept of evangelizing, and way too many inside didnt believe were amazed that I would. It took a while, but I found it: The win is by forfeiture, which is unsatisfying to everyone because it means that no one benefits from new insights from either side. Is the man who deceives his neighbor, and then says, I was only joking.'. 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CareBear: I think one good answer could possibly be that a man who is not OSAS Protestant will not raise his children as such, nor will he witness to others about his Baptist faith. seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him? Even if you exercise restraint you know the combo-boxers are going to cross the line. Do you want a page count, or perhaps a list of sanctioned books? You unhesitatingly state: One I read compared Catholicism to a tall, beautiful, magnificent cathedral whose pillars of doctrine rise and conjoin in the heights into perfectly executed arches. Fixed Dates 2. Plenty of people died for their religion during and after the Reformation. 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I do not defend these pictures, but I understand what he was trying to say; those who cry for charity should not do so by calling the intended subject of their request moronic, stupid, childish, and much worse. Prove his actions offensive and Ill recant. God uses the foolish to confound the wise. sharp contrast to the heresy of Paul Washer, John MacArthur and James White, But I will reveal the truth to you: Its too late to save James White. I think hes quite thoroughly a gentleman. Are you a disciple? MY HEAD HURTS. Furthermore, for somebody who professes to be on the side of fairness and a supposed sense of justice, your initial comments on this thread reveals that you carried with you such prejudice to begin with (as even brought attention to by Sifu earlier with regards to certain pejorative terms you used in reference to Catholics) and had already made your judgment against Jimmy Akin and those here. Which is it? What horrors are you referring to? 37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned., Of course, he knew it would work out well for him in any case. The Chris Pinto vs. James White debate on whether Codex Sinaiticus is a modern forgery can be boiled down to a few considerations. That could describe you too Mary Kay I said substance, not opinions. When I have my employees in office, my goal is to address fully, the items on the agenda. But apparently, you think youre right, and you should be just as tired of that. Dont you lose under Godwins Law as soon as you say that Islamists are the Nazis of the post-9/11 world? In this very thread, I see people getting into the same old debates about sola scriptura etc, saying nothing new. Indulgences? Your first sentence is a non sequitur. In fact, even the notion that invoking Nazis equates to forfeiture is technically an extension of the original law Intricate And Graceful Alpha Omega Tattoo, Vivid And Flamboyant Red Alpha Omega Tattoo. James White, director, is a professor, having taught Greek, Systematic Theology, and various topics in the field of apologetics for numerous schools. You have to neccessarily assume all Muslims are terrorists in order to draw the conclusion that these, in the picture, must be, despite no evidence pointing to the affirmation of such an assumption. Youll get that casuistry degree yet. We deserve it because in the end, or even in the next millennium, none of this is going to matter in the least. Im to the point where you either have to laugh or cry. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will. So, let me add my rebuke of the anonymous person(s) of currently-undetermined religious affiliation for their childish, stupid prank. Ask yourself a question: have you seriously engaged the study of Scripture, so that you have basic, foundational hermeneutical principles clearly in your thinking? Who would go through through the expense of buying a domain name to lead others to Catholic Answers? Paraphrasing of the argument what was originally asked, anyways. Its out to confuse you! You guys are down right mean :(, if I didnt know better I wouldnt guess you were catholics. It is the burden of one affirming a positive to prove their case first. Those Jedi mind tricks dont work on me. So we cant just sit back with the radical Muslim theme itself but have to flow with the artists changes as well. I really am asking, seriously, how do Protestants make these determinations. discipleship. Our Saviour and His Apostles taught that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ: Take and eat; this is my body All of you drink of this, for this is my blood (Matt. by Dr. Hank Lindstrom, Here are some Thatd be a really uninformative debate. Registrant ID:DI_471115 I assume you wouldnt try discussing theology with somebody wearing a Marilyn Manson Antichrist T-shirt. We are called by God to go beyond the veil of darkness and become what Chesterton calls an outpost of light. And, it is becoming obvious, you were just trying to make a fight. The Akin Extension of the well-known Godwins Law Forfeiture Corollary seems an eminently reasonable one. I am a convert to Catholicism from Evangelical Protestantism (Baptist) and many of the posters here are also former something or others. Ill choose to not read Dr. Whites book at this time. It might help to pick up the book as each point you raise is dealt with by White, as you can see. Ahhh sooooo. Isnt that a littleobsessive? The steve that wrote at Aug 11, 2007 10:50:06 AM Same way you can think something is right and be wrong. You cant. And St. Cyprian in the third century wrote: Whoever is separated from the Church is separated from the promises of Christ One cannot have God as a Father who has not the Church as his mother. Mainly focused upon the question of where Reformed Baptists will go in 2023 when it comes to the Neo-Thomist Revival, prompted by comments on line regarding Thomas, Van Til, and Bahnsen. This is indeed childish behavior. And you are doing nothing against the real issue of Islam! Now I of course dont know him personally so my observations are exactly that. Since Mr White is apparently reading everything with his name on it, & since he has no combox (probably a wise move, considering what I feel like posting there): Jeremiah gee, the Angelwing Consperacy mustve hacked into Mr. Whites site and posted the pictures. Maybe Q borrowed them from Art. And enter it into the form so that it would do what it does. For what its worth, jamesrwhite.org is registered to an anonymous user of mapname.com, as of 6 days ago. Here are some This is the fourth, and thankfully, final portion of my response. Mr Akin should debate Mr White and quit hiding behind excuses. Greek grandeur is greatly infused within Alpha Omega tattoos. Paul, The Assumption of Moses If you wish to follow Christ, yes, you must. important in this universe than the purity of God's Words. Jonathan, that last little tidbit is an argumentum ad populum and should be recanted. I realized that apologetics are, by the very meaning of the word, defensive. CatholicWayne: Salvation also support the corrupt modern Bible versions. Who would know better what the Apostles actually taught about the Teachings of Jesus Christ? You may opt for a design like this, where the tattoo starts with the rho symbol and ends with a beautifully detailed anchor, with the chi in between. Mr. Akin calling Mr. White on the carpet for inappropriate conduct is not the same as the inappropriate conduct. Not that I always oppose circular logic. So much for the Law of Non-Contradiction!!! Apologetics, Faraston Seminary, 1995, M.A. ie urging one another to fully live the gospel in every aspect of our life. using James Whites own words but disguised as a Islamic fundamentalist. You might want to look at Mr. Whites recent post, where he says, Akin has been avoiding doing a real debate since he lost the only one we have done (on KIXL). And I do understand that this blog represents, to a certain degree, you feelings, and should be more raw than a formal article or text. call me Fox like Esau has. I havent listened to him. Carebear is right if you dont act like that then you are not included so dont worry about it. Registrant Name:to attn. Esau, I cannot speak to Jimmys motives, but in my opinion the outrage is convenient in that it allows a clean break while simultaneously indicting James White. OK, Lisa. I dont get what the big deal is with the pictures. And why do you think it apropos? Godwins Law is limited to comparisons with Nazis and Hitler. God bless you, Sir, for your stalwart attempt at spreading the Genuine Gospel of Our Lord. First you say hes judging James White to be innocent, then you say hes assuming his innocence. James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. Relationship implies that it goes both ways. - You accuse Catholic Answers for the url Another reason there never will be a definitive teaching on whether the salvation of those converting from OSAS will never appear is because it would involve an ecclesial body exercising authority in time regarding matters not settled in Scripture that were always true but never questioned or seriously considered until now. Our Priest today gave a sermon where he was talking about the Protestants and how only through the Catholic church can one be saved, by no other means, and how the Protestants each stand up there each sunday and one man who was in many instances either elected or installed as a pastor by a community interprets for all what God thinks and what scripture says which is heresy. Otherwise, we should have known nothing at all about it It was a delight talking with you. your inability and/or unwillingness to recognize that your perceptions may be filterd by a bias, 1. Now, dont get me in trouble with your hubby, Foxy! If he wants to blog on a Protestant apologist behaving badly, Ill thank him for the time he saved me now that I know that attempting a rational discussion with Mr. White is a collosal waste of time. Enough of this nonsense. As it stands, your post doesnt deal with anything stated and is tied up with a nice but thats just my opinion at the end. His counter part goes off on rants, rages on about yyy, says why he has to be false, etc. Ill stick with Satan is laughing is tail off watching Christians fight each other over a domain name.. GOD knows who did it, but one thing can be certain, NO PROTESTANT would go through such extremes let alone steer folks to Catholic Answers. This thread was about his humor, not his theology. )to construct a remotely persuasive argument. I suppose such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though. Finally, White uses quotes when referring to Beckwiths title as a doctor. Whites devoutly stupid photoshop isnt ever going to get remotely similar treatment from his defenders. Where in the world do you get off man? Alpha omega tattoo designs are often found to be created keeping both the alpha and omega meaning in mind. Ah, you are looking the wrong way. good post It was a distortion. (If anyone knows Frank Beckwith, you know thats his style of humor). As with any other tattoo design or symbol, if the alpha and omega tattoo reflects your personal energy and disposition, then it is time for you to make use of at least one of these designs. Why is anyone responding to CareBear? Soon as White says Look, Im sorry Ill be cool with im. Dave Armstrong wasnt stoned to death for doing that. Parallel Accounts in the Bible & the Quran, The Christology of John, the Christology of the Quran. Market? Ecce sockpuppet. No, because Romanists go straight to Hell where they belong, didnt you already know that??? Based on that information, one can then assume that CA is obsessing over White a bit too much which, lets be honest, does fit the general attitude of those around here. Foxfier defies Aristotillean logic and that does it for me. The specific context has to do with the fact that Dr. Beckwith, former ETS president, having degrees from various institutions most theological in nature, seems ignorant and downright uninformed about the supposed basis for the decision made to go to Rome. You are assuming that Catholic Answers is *stupid* and that is frankly offensive. Although, given the most recent burst of childishness, Im starting to think that its more likely than I thought. Glorious Lord. I was responding to a post by Carebear. Esau, Using Whites own arguments I will respond to Esau. To find the answer to that, first, it is essential for you to understand the alpha omega tattoo meaning. To be honest, it troubles me, because I feel like Ive been wasting my time in talking to you (although I hope its not been a waste). Ed, thanks for the laugh. Try explaining it in your own words so that a simpleton like me can understand. God is Justice as well as Mercy. That is to suppress the eternal truth within to obtain a short-lived convenience without. Think about this way: what if, in reply to the doctrine of inspiration, an unbeliever were to say to us: its either God or man; it cant be both. In our mortal being we crave mortal evidence of divine sanction, we seek a sign. Outsons.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to (amazon.com and or other merchants). God can do as He pleases. No sensible person would buy a website with the name of a fellow who hates him and direct it to his own web site. I had a much longer post analyzing Dr. Whites attempted humor, but this one will already be too long according to Da Rulz. the horrors of the uncritical acceptance of Romes claim to authority This Teaching ultimately led me into the Roman Catholic Church 25 years later. These folks who have deviously perpetrated the entire affair here are a DISGRACE to Protestants!!! what can you add? Churchmouse??? But no one will notice if there is only one church, because one does not constitute a list born of dogma. I am the LORD" (Leviticus 19:28). Ill admit theres nothing gnostic about *that*. Then James White shows up. of Mapname.com customer 3 Foxfire, _D_R_A_M_A_ _Q_U_E_E_N_. Thats CareBears very first sentence on this thread. as being authors of particular books? Carebear, The issues deserve to be considered on their own grounds, but this reprehensible action and even his bad debating skills should be mentioned when it rises to so inexcusable a level, remembering to do so with charity and perspective and an attempt at understanding of course. Mary Kay, He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions. Unsubstantiated personal attacks? The Revelation of Paul Take care and God bless, Yikes. (ps, I go by Mary Kay. Salvation through the Church IS salvation through Christ, not salvation through Benedict XVI or John Paul II. I respect Akin but I do feel he misdirected people away from the tough theological questions. You may be a fan of White who doesnt frequent is web site, or hasnt seen the relevant statement or just didnt absorb it, for that matter. As for my depth of study in church history (including the Father), I consider it sufficient to justify the statements I am making. If that mantle fell from the Germans onto another race it would be a welcome respite ASU is a Pac 10 school. Take a look at the appendix to the second edition of Chosen But Free by Norman Geisler. Its also an example of what I see as a sense of entitlement. That its okay for James White to post pictures of terrorists and make the comparison between these terrorists and Catholics. And Catholic Answers! If he did, does that make it ok? There is one last thing I would like to note. Pope Damasus? SighI reckon its a tragic cycle of internet violence. Gosh! I dont even agree with him fully, and *I* respect that class. Deuteronomy 4:2, Ye well let me just say, your doing fine in that department already. How can you make the claim that you havnt seen anything substaintiating Sola Scriptura when you WONT read anything substaintiating it? CareBear, Everyone who is joined to Christ is under the obligation, the call, to stimulate one another to love and good deeds. Can I safely assume now that you answer all questions pertaining to the nature of the CA URL in such a manner, ignorantly assuming that anyone who inquires about it is somehow a Disciple of White? There are some points of resemblance between Christendom and its imitation in Islam; for that matter there are some points of resemblance between Jews and Gypsies. To infer such is illogical. CareBear, Even between St. Clement of Alexandria, Eusebius, for example! James White Has Completely Lost It. We are hoping to trade in our current fifth wheel unit for We are back on the road! as #1.) James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries. A new MP3 sermon from Alpha and Omega Ministries is now available on SermonAudio with the following details: Title: The Regime Continues to Promote the Culture of Death, Christian Nationalism, Ecclesia Subtitle: The Dividing Line 2022 Speaker: Dr. James White Broadcaster: Alpha and Omega Ministries Event: Sunday Service Date: 10/25/2022 Length . So I hurried back to the spot where Alypius was sitting, for I had put there a the volume of the aspostle when I got up and left him. But James White and you can read what they wrote. Dr Beckwith sets him straight. Usually Ill employ sarcasm + substance in order to make a point. Pope St Pius X pray for us! The Revelation of Peter Such humor detracts from any reasonable discussion, and if Jimmy thinks its useless to continue discussing things with White, thats his prerogative. I used to think that Whites contention with Rome was theological in nature but I am beginning to see that it is deeper than that. Simply Amazing, and the vitriol (no one can argue the level of hatred) expressed towards White by dozens of posters is fanaticism is fanaticism. No, that belongs to the one who thinks Germans are a race. It is despicable. It was SDG who said its gnostic. But I dont think Denniss post was silly, and I dont think it warranted a caustic response. No, I didnt. Its kind of part of the package deal of being a confessing sinner. The Book of the Wars of the Lord Matthew, For the record, I think White did behave poorly in questioning Beckwiths honesty. Just what is it about certain combinations of notes that make us feel sad, where others make us feel happy? Liar. Apologetics is all about pointing out when the church is treated unfairly. What is so important about the pictures that they just cannot be taken down? He is the author of more than twenty books, a professor, and an accomplished debater. 3. 2. But thank you for your interaction. That is why I respect him. 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